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December 17, 2020

Surgery, Shamanism, and Psychedelics │Françoise Bourzat and Dr. Daniel Kelly

by Anthony Effinger

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Episode 10: Show Notes

Françoise Bourzat and Dr. Dan Kelly came to the psychedelic therapy movement from very different places. Bourzat, a somatic psychologist, has spent decades in the mountains of Mexico, learning the traditions and rituals around the use of psychedelic mushrooms. Dr. Kelly has spent years in operating rooms, removing brain tumors. But they couldn’t agree more on one big thing: psychedelics have the potential to transform mental health by helping millions of people who suffer from alcohol use disorder, depression, PTSD, anxiety, and existential crisis associated with disease and loss.

Bourzat is a consultant at PNI’s new Treatment & Research in Psychedelics (TRIP) program, where she, Kelly, and others are readying a clinical trial to study the effectiveness of psilocybin, the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms, for treating alcohol use disorder. Other clinical trials are in the works.

In this week’s podcast, they discuss the growing body of evidence that convinces them of the potential in psychedelics. They also explore why just a single trip with a psychedelic, done in a safe, clinical setting with expert guidance, can have such profound and lasting effects.

About Dr. Daniel Kelly

Daniel F. Kelly, MD

Dr. Daniel Kelly, a board-certified neurosurgeon, is the Director and one of the founders of the Pacific Neuroscience Institute, Director of the Pacific Brain Tumor Center and Pacific Pituitary Disorders Center, and is Professor of Neurosurgery at Saint John’s Cancer Institute at Providence Saint John’s Health Center. Considered to be one of the top neurosurgeons in the US, he is a multiple recipient of the Patients’ Choice Award and has been awarded the Southern California SuperDoctors distinction 15 years in a row.

About Françoise Bourzat

Francoise Bourzat Headshot

Françoise Bourzat, MS, is a Somatic Psychologist who has specialized in guided explorations with entheogens since 1987. She uses a variety of psychedelic-assisted therapies and techniques to access expanded states of consciousness and promote profound healing. A guide, teacher, and author, she has a passion for furthering this work through seminars for professional therapists, university lectures, and local and global conferences. She is an adjunct faculty member at the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in California.

More Information

Visit the PacificTRIP.org or call 310-582-7611.

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About the Author

Anthony Effinger

Anthony Effinger

Think Neuro host Anthony Effinger is an award-winning health journalist who is fascinated with neuroscience and the workings of the brain. He won 1st Place in the 2006 Awards for Excellence in Health Care Journalism, from the Association of Health Care Journalists, for Playing the Odds, a piece on the various strategies used to treat prostate cancer.

Last updated: December 18th, 2020